Ringcraft

[kizkiznobite]

hi and welcome 

and why no sitting?

and what breed do you have 

[*Lassie*]

hi and welcome 

and why no sitting?

and what breed do you have 

In pet class the first thing they teach is sit to greet, the last thing you want a show dog to do in the ring is ...........sit

[Izzie]

So why not teach a show stand as well as a sit?

[*Lassie*]

So why not teach a show stand as well as a sit?

They do in ringcraft but a friend said most pups sit as soon as they see treats and that's what they would do in puppy socializing classes it's hard to unteach a pup, when you use treats as a lure in the show ring the last thing you want is a pup that sits just as the judge comes to it.

[Val]

As Lassie say's showdogs are first taught the stand for everything then they are taught to stop stand then to stand tidy then the down then the sit we don't do flat bums 
Val

[Izzie]

Ok thats understandable

So, why not teach the pup to stand then?

both my girls stand on cue -( depending on whether there is a vet behind them)

So why not teach a show stand as well as a sit?

They do in ringcraft but a friend said most pups sit as soon as they see treats and that's what they would do in puppy socializing classes it's hard to unteach a pup, when you use treats as a lure in the show ring the last thing you want is a pup that sits just as the judge comes to it.

[*Lassie*]

She will teach the pup to stand BUT at puppy socializing classes they will teach the pup to sit which is an easier option.
Willow NEVER stands when she can sit NEVER sits when she can lay down

[Izzie]

She will teach the pup to stand BUT at puppy socializing classes they will teach the pup to sit which is an easier option.
Willow NEVER stands when she can sit NEVER sits when she can lay down

Sorry, am having a thick moment, why not teach both when the pup is in classical stage?  and then reinforce the stand?

[*Lassie*]

She will teach the pup to stand BUT at puppy socializing classes they will teach the pup to sit which is an easier option.
Willow NEVER stands when she can sit NEVER sits when she can lay down

Sorry, am having a thick moment, why not teach both when the pup is in classical stage?  and then reinforce the stand?

Pass on that one Val can explain better than me

[.dodger.]

i didn't teach dodger to sit when he was a pup in hopes of showing him but because some people didn't listen and kept asking him to sit everytime they went to give him a treat he got used to it. He had the stand on cue and yet not the sit but everytime i brought a treat out he would sit. Even when i had both the sit and stand on cue as soon as the clicker and treats came out he would sit and wait for his next cue. It was easier for him to sit and wait than to stand and wait if that makes any sense.

[Val]

Because pups will always sit for a treat, sit to look up to mum, they must stand in the showring.
It's not that we don't teach a sit it's just along way down the list, before we get to the sit a pup must first stand then be approached by stranger (judges) then felt all over learn to have someone look in the mouth if it's a boy their nuts are felt and all this is in a stand without moving a toe this can take up to a year as pups always shift about but at least they are shifting in the stand.
All my dogs know sit stand and down but if I offer them a treat they all stand and shuffle their feet into a showstand without being asked, infact after the stand I teach the down so that with beadies the classes are so big that I down them in the class better for the judge to see a dog in a down that an untidy stand if she/he judge was to cast an eye round the dogs waiting to be gone over
Val

She will teach the pup to stand BUT at puppy socializing classes they will teach the pup to sit which is an easier option.
Willow NEVER stands when she can sit NEVER sits when she can lay down

Sorry, am having a thick moment, why not teach both when the pup is in classical stage?  and then reinforce the stand?

[Izzie]

Ok, ta Val.