cause and effect - conscious choice or not...

[kizkiznobite]

nope..you aint going to ball roll me...

[rooooooooby]

pre-cognition says that its not a conscious choice ...

[wags]

i had always been assured the answer was 42.  nick, how could you do that to me? 

i to was under this asumption

and as i am always right it appears Nick is wrong 

[*Nick*]

I may not always be right but I'm never wrong

The answer is 11.

[SuzAndTheDiva]

i thought the answer was always 11 too..................

[kizkiznobite]

dog gets into chair and the master and guest both comment on the self satisfied look on dogs face....

so...is a dog capable of looking 'smug' 

[SuzAndTheDiva]

only what we interpret as smug i guess 

[*Nick*]

ok, I'm just going to go with what i said in t'other thread...since we are humans and can only think in human terms...I will say yes, a dog is capable of "looking" smug. Whether they are smug is another question that probably can't be answered.  These are quite difficult , perhaps impossible questions and situations doncha think?

[GSPmad]

ok, I'm just going to go with what i said in t'other thread...since we are humans and can only think in human terms...I will say yes, a dog is capable of "looking" smug. Whether they are smug is another question that probably can't be answered.  These are quite difficult , perhaps impossible questions and situations doncha think?

You need to model yourself on the White Queen in 'Alice Through the Looking Glass' Nick: "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." 

[rooooooooby]

hehe

I think dogs can definately look smug, cross, guilty ... and all the other emotional labels we give them ... i dont think it makes alot of difference what we say they "look like" personally as long as you remember that clearly they aint - they're dogs, not people !!!

hmmm i wonder if dogs have pre-cognition ... i wonder if anyone has done the testing ... probably not these days but I bet Burrhaus and Ivan would have

claire x

[*Nick*]

ya, I can't wait until some bullsh#t scientist with a big research grant  tries to convince everyone that they've decoded, translated barks, whimpers, yelps and all those other endearing noises are pups make.

[kizkiznobite]

well....it would make an interesting debate nick 

[rooooooooby]

Nick - look at the work of Turid Rugaas she has done alot on wild wolf pack communication

also Gardner & Gardner, Terrace etc... and their work on primates (because they did have huge research grants).  I know its not dogs but I have done a paper on the primate studies

claire x