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November 22, 2006 at 8:21 pm #61510
Following on from another thread can someone explain there thoughts on this …November 22, 2006 at 8:47 pm #92829
Is this another training one Mudgie? 🙂November 22, 2006 at 9:58 pm #92830
yes ;D as always… ;DNovember 22, 2006 at 10:23 pm #92831
when they do something else rather than what you have asked them to do, like on a recall instead of coming to you they sniff the floor or grass insteadNovember 22, 2006 at 10:26 pm #92832
Bit like what happens with children then!!!!!! ;DNovember 22, 2006 at 10:27 pm #92833
Not the grass sniffing bit!!!! ::)November 22, 2006 at 10:29 pm #92834
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when they do something else rather than what you have asked them to do, like on a recall instead of coming to you they sniff the floor or grass instead
That would be a calming signal. The dog feels under stress, maybe because of your tone or because something is making it feel uneasy so therefore it uses that form of ‘displacement’ to calm the situation down. Trouble is, we humans don’t often read it like that and think the dog is just being stubborn. More about calming signals here – http://www.takingthelead.co.uk/2/Commun/calm.htm It’s a fascinating subject and I have been on several lectures about it.November 22, 2006 at 10:31 pm #92835
Should make an interesting thread then! 🙂November 22, 2006 at 10:37 pm #92836
interesting read caroline thank you 🙂November 22, 2006 at 10:52 pm #92837
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Bit like what happens with children then!!!!!! ;D
AND Husbands >:DNovember 22, 2006 at 10:59 pm #92838
yep I am reading about calming signals watched the dvd’s on them too, i would swing with my example as displacement though 🙂November 23, 2006 at 7:02 am #92839
psychological displacement can be recognised as a behaviour that is often described as a ‘gear shift’ of emotions – it can take the form of fear, aggression, calming, avoidance etc – it is a psychiatric term refering to a psychological physical defense mechanism in which a behavioural response and display of emotion results from a repressed emotion being transferred to another, safer or more acceptable activity.
yawning, scratching, sniffing, head shaking, air kissing and licking are all ways in which a dog can attempt to delay in following a cue – all dogs do it during their learning periods – as an average at least 3 responses per dog is common.
the art is to recognise it and be prepared – in order to either correct or wait it out – avoid losing temper or showing frustration and stay focussed on the task in hand and the dog will quickly recognize that you understand what it is saying and that you are prepared to either meet the problem or let him/her resolve it him/herself – beau – zerlinda’s collie – did it at the beginning of the early sessions and always just before the ‘haha’ moment 🙂
it is often very subtle – often overlooked by trainers but it can lead to cue breakdown – if it is serious – such as taking flight or being displayed as aggression then it needs sorting – this sort of displacement usually occurs when the training is going too fast for the dog to feel any sense of achievement – self worth is important to the dog which is why I always say end on a good note when finishing a session – if the dog develops a flight mentality – as gunner started to exhibit with dummy launchers – then s/he is feeling far too much pressure and the training need evaluating – it is rare for the problem to be the dog – biting is another problem one – the dog feels mentally trapped. stopping what s/he is doing – known as quitting behaviour – lying down for example – is another way the dog will try to avoid – caused by lack of motivation and sometimes by poor puppy socialisation – or in the case of a worker – then it could be the breeding – it also happens when put under too much pressure – I have seen this with gun dogs and those of you that work herding dogs will have seen it too – the dog goes on strike even when under risk of a telling off or a beating
those of you that have had paperwork from me – remember the example of brose returning to me slowly – horseshoe shaped – when recalled after my son’s accident? – arousal displacement – fear/stress/reaction to my fear/stress in voice – transference
is that what you wanted komtessa
is it the boyo – offering displacment to the girlie? ;D bet it is – or she doing to you when training 😀 girlies are brill at it ::) correct me if i am wrong ;DNovember 23, 2006 at 8:41 am #92840
Oh I knew what displacement was but thought it would be good to share this as I didnt have a clue about it before – thought Nacho was being stubborn.
My two are the creme de displacement…
Nacho offers her displacement constantly.
She is doing great in training no displacement at all… Loves the clicker… looks at it and squeaks ::) Clicker means treats – she is a greedy wee munchkin… ;DNovember 23, 2006 at 1:08 pm #92841
This was useful, I’d only considered displacement activity such eating a bun before doing housework. I can see now that my old goldie girl that I used to take to agility used to lay down on the side of the sand school at the first opportunity even if we were going round the course – wish I had thought more about what was happening. :-\ She felt uncomfortable when there were lots of noisy people and dogs so we dropped it.
Good sticky ? 😉 You said so much Bev I’m going to have to re read it ::) Getting old.November 23, 2006 at 1:21 pm #92842
kiz using my example of recall and sniffing the grass would that be avoidance if my tone was normal/the same?
and calming if my tone was different/harder?
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