December 6, 2006 at 5:27 pm #91402
oh i never thought of it like that!! i just thought it was because they are eager to get out ???December 6, 2006 at 5:34 pm #91403
they are going hunting – they want to manage the huntDecember 6, 2006 at 5:43 pm #91404
So, is it important then that you as pack manager, also manage the hunt?
CJDecember 6, 2006 at 6:12 pm #91405
mm ok – there is no also about it – the pack manager manages the hunt
imagine – a pack of dogs going hunting – some drive the prey some wait for the driven prey – thats how collies became herders 🙂
a rogue not listening to pack manager type dog runs it at the wrong moment – ergo no food
when you take your dogs out – they are going hunting – if your dog is ‘rogue’ then you have the same effect – so by managing the ‘hunt’ you are in control of what happens in it – we just sub the natural stuff
this is why go on soooo much about management along side training the cues – if you are not managing then your dog does not have to follow a cue – he will take choice everytime
try and get to some collie trials or just a working sheep farmer out with his dog pack – where there are young up and coming dogs working as a brace/part of team – and watch the way the pack managing dog dog controls the younger one/s – look for the ‘look’ and the neck snaps and the cut off running and grab roll on to back 🙂December 6, 2006 at 7:21 pm #91406
Both Buster and Honey good on lead – specially when leaving the house – my mums bad back means Buster musnt drag her out the house – he sits nicely at door – for lead on – when we open door he will go sit just outside front door and not move until door is shut and we are ready – dont even have to be holding the lead he knows ;D
Good luck Balmy you will get there :-*December 7, 2006 at 12:45 am #91407
oo thats good nat noticed you said in the post the other day about piper wears a head collar. Bet she likes the lead and collar better 😉December 7, 2006 at 9:23 am #91408
Yeah she does Leighann – not pawing at it to try and get it off!!! ::)
Although it is quite a good headcollar as they go – Dogmatic leather one. doesnt cut accross their eyes like some do! 🙂December 7, 2006 at 10:57 am #91409
Very interesting what your saying Kiz. I went to watch some sheep dog trials that were held locally. It was great watching the dogs work, but just individually, in a competition. Took some great pics.
I did notice the handlers can be quite firm with the dogs and I’m thinking we’re being a bit too soft with Tai. He has started to refuse to do stuff- not coming on first recall, I want to go this way (on lead) and sits down, I dont want to go out. And (back to thread) pulling on the leash. OH keeps threatening to buy a Halti (head collar) but I’m not keen. Keep telling him it’s because we’re not in control 100% of the time, and a headcollar wont address that.
CJDecember 7, 2006 at 11:20 am #91410
It is only a management aid so as soon as it is off you are back to square one.
Best that you manage him better ;D Is he at the “teenage” stage – being stubborn and arguing ::)December 7, 2006 at 11:28 am #91411
Yes, that’s what I thought. Not addressing the problem.
Think he’s a bit young for the ‘teenage’ stage, only 7 months, but it could be starting. Lots more to come I suspect, Oh the joys of having a dog!
CJDecember 7, 2006 at 2:42 pm #91412
i havnt been hammering home the training as much as i could have, but have kept on top of the management,and the different in gracie, is HUGE, and i think it is because of the managment.
the other day off lead,a bike went past i thought …., as she has chased bikes before, but a stayby cue, (i know it should have been a leave it) – but i could see her looking at me and looking after the bike wanting to chase, but i guess due to the management training she didnt!!December 7, 2006 at 2:45 pm #91413
what distance have you on stay by cue ?December 7, 2006 at 2:49 pm #91414
same distance as you taght about the lengh of the front room :-[ (sorry dont know know how far that is?December 7, 2006 at 3:01 pm #91415
ok – good – really weel done it – not easy that one – satrt to extend it with a ‘wait up’ – from the outer edge to about half the distance again ;DDecember 7, 2006 at 3:10 pm #91416
sorry dont know if i know what you mean?
so can let her go further now, and have a ‘wait up’ cue for the new longer distance
and the wait up, is that a stop and looking waiting for next cue?
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